lo'wI' ja'chuq:MInDu'Donbe'

Notification that Qapla' has been added to the English Wiktionary
Hi, I am User:Doremítzwr from the English Wiktionary. I recently heard about your predicament and felt sorry for you. You may be interested to hear that I today added Qapla' to the English Wiktionary, which I believe is the first Klingon-derived word we have. We have a policy titled “Wiktionary:Criteria for inclusion”, which requires that words entered into the English Wiktionary have three citations, coming from three durably-archived sources spanning at least one year. I have already twice cited Qapla', but I leave it to you to find the third. Our entry for Qapla' can be found here. Good luck! † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 20:00, 12 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Congratulations on the success of the addition of Qapla' into the English Wiktionary! Forsooth, there are very few occurrences of Klingon words to be found within mulitlingual projects these days. But this is likely due to the fact that the Klingon language hasn't quite "gone international"; that is, its "fame" is relatively small compared to that of, say, Esperanto. Also, the fact that (presumably) all printed material concerning the language is still under copyright can be a bit daunting to those who wish to incorporate as many languages as possible into a multilingual colaborative scheme. Nevertheless, it is possible to integrate vocables from Klingon (and other languages pending patent) without any infringement of copyright, hence the mere existence of this Wiktionary. You may already know this, but the Polish Wiktionary has a few Klingon entries, some of which are my own. One of the entries there I didn't add is loDHom, which they even present in its various inflections! So, I hope that knowledge of the Klingon language will continue to grow without difficulty, which should be the same for any language, constructed or natural. Cheers! —MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 02:02, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Considering the above warning: “Warning: this site will be closed in a few days, unless there’s some overwhelming reason not to”, it may be a good idea that you copy all your Klingon words hereïn to subpages of your user page on the English (or other, less threatened) Wiktionary. Thereön, you could argue for the recognition of Klingon as a language which meets our criteria for inclusion. As long as you make some contributions from time to time, I’m sure that your doing so would be fine. † Raifʻhār Doremítzwr 17:57, 16 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Verily, I have considered this warning—and, indeed, still do quite habitually—and have already entertained the idea of repositing said contents to an extraneous promptuary of information storage. Nathless, I durstn't implement such a scheme, lest perchance I possibly prorogue potential progress per the present perfunctory prospectus. Nay, methinketh 'twould behoove all shall I proceed henceforth thru means and manners all but cogniscible to he who possesseth a fair field and no favour. But, Dude, thanks for your, like, appreciation and stuff. Uh huh-huh-huh! ;-) —MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 18:02, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

hello
Are you an administrator on this site? Or even a steward? (I'd write in tlhIngan, but I'm just a beginner). I've made a few spelling mistakes (like thlIngan and suv), which I can't delete. Jon 22:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Alas, I am not an administrator! If I were, there wouldn't be an ugly warning sign at the top of the page! The person responsible for that was Brion VIBBER, who, ironically, has nothing to say on this matter. As for me, I am basically the only person who is adamant about keeping this Wiki from being taken down. As you can see (via the history pages), I am pretty much the central force behind this particular Wiki, as concerns the creation and the editing of the articles. At any rate, thank you for your interest. (…not to mention your mistaking me for an administrator! :-) )—MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 22:32, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've started adding entries. Since my tlhIngan Hol is still pretty poor, I'm concentrating on creating stubs with the Klingon-English and English-Klingon translations.
 * Other wiki projects elect their own admins; I tried emailing Brion, but I've had no response so far. The only way that they will take us seriously is by us building up the quantity and quality of articles, and attracting other editors to form a real online community.
 * I've ordered a TKD and I'm attempting to join the KLI. Do you know of any good learning resources? Jon 10:46, 27 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 1. Stubs are okay, we can work around these. The point is: that the entries are created in the first place (and, of course, that they're not erroneous).
 * 2. To be honest, I don't really know who's "in charge" here. Maybe it's a Klingon! But, I, too, have tried contacting Brion and received no response. Perhaps he's an anti-Klingonist… Anyways, he is (I believe) only a systems programmer and would therefore be of no use trying to shut down a Wiki—after all, how do you "de-program" a Wiki?…
 * 3. I hope your order comes in soon! TKD is essentially the only legitimate document in print for the Klingon language. There is also an audio tape for sale, which I don't have yet but may get: it'd be nice to hear how the language is actually spoken! There is an online Klingon Academy, which you may have already been to, but other than that, I don't know of any other reputable Klingon resouces—apart from contacting Marc Okrand himself (which I would love to: if only I could…)!—MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 22:50, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

loHwI'pu'
I found the site on meta to request permissions. To make any progress we need a request page on this mu'ghom, in order to achieve consensus. I could improvise something in English, but it should really be in Klingon if you feel up to it. A simplified version of what they have on English Wiktionary should do. If you nominate yourself I will support you. The stewards (toy'wI'pu'??) may sit on any request for a while to see if there is any opposition.

If we can clear this hurdle, we should next aim for bureaucrat ( loHwI''a' ??) status - this would allow us to make any other lo'wI' into a loHwI'. Jon 09:44, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * That sounds great! If many tera'nganpu' (Earthlings) are going to read the request, they'll probably want to do it in some language with which they're familiar, i.e., DIvI Hol (English). I don't mean to toot my own horn or count any chicken before they've hatched, but I just knew that this Wiki would be picking up attention sooner or later. Also, I'm glad you've been adding entries as well, and without a copy of TKD! Wow!—Or, has it come in already? Well, you should be receiving it soon, I hope: it really does provide the barebones of tlhIngan Hol. In all honesty, I don't know much about "red tape" (to use a broad term); what I mean by this is that I'm not very knowledgable about official procedures as laid out by officiating legislatures. You, on the other hand, seem to know enough to feel compelled that we should have a regulating system in the first place. Silly me, all I ever think about doing here is just adding and editing entries—but that's really me: I just do what I do, sometimes just headlong, but that hasn't been too much of a problem in the past. Anyways, I am excited that there are at least some people out there who consider this mughom an authentically (and legitimately) viable endeavour!—MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 20:45, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * You're back, maj. My TKD came a few days ago. Adding entries is, of course, what it's all about. However there are bad guys out there. Being an administrator makes it easier to revert vandalism; allows vandals to be blocked and lets one delete pages. Anyway, I made  a bilingual template. I struggled a bit finding the right words for vote and the like. Let me know if there are any major Qagh'a'mey, else I will request admin rights for myself and yourself. Qapla' Jon 21:05, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Looks pretty good! Here's how I would word it:

=loHwI'DIbmeyvaD tlhobmeH (requests for administrator rights)= ==Jon== *loHwI' jImoj vIneH (I want to become an adminstrator.) *loHwI' Xmoj vIneH (I want X to become an administrator.) *jIlaj (I accept.) ===Qochbe' (agree)=== ===Qoch (agree)=== ===Sovbe' (don't know)=== ===wuq (decision)===
 * The very top line is a more or less literal translation:

loH = administer; wI' = agential suffix; DIb = privilege; mey = approx., plural inanimate; vaD = approx., accusative marker tlhob = request; meH = purpose marker
 * Which yields the meaning: "For the request of administrator rights". But, other than that, it looks fine.
 * BTW, I really think that the Klingon Guide belongs in an Appendix, as that's where most didactic sections of a dictionary are placed.—MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 21:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

'aprIqanS Hol
Dear MInDu'Donbe', could you please help me? What am I doing wrong here: http://tlh.wiktionary.org/wiki/chen%27ay%27:-af- ? All new Afrikaans lemmas just be grouped together in the category 'aprIqanS Hol, but they don't :((( For instance: Afrikaans, Italiaans, Indonesies. Thanx --Manie 22:29, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Just see, they working now :))) By the way, do you perhaps know the Klingon translations for "singular" and "plural"? --Manie 22:33, 4 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Oh, okay, good. Was it that you were having trouble getting the entries to appear in the appropriate categories? If so, remember that a standard entry should look like this:

(The language code and header. In this case, Afrikaans.) (Pronunciation header.) * : /…/ (Pronunciation of lemma.) (Part of speech header. Here, noun.) (Pagename template.) ( : …) (Plural form, if any.)
 * 1) … (Translation of lemma into Klingon.)
 * For each language, the inclusion of its unique language code, placed at the beginning of the entry in question thus: (note the hyphens surrounding the code), automatically places the title of the entry in that language's category index. So, if the name of the current page is "hand", for example, and that page includes a language entry template, the page's title will appear in that language's index.
 * As for the Klingon words for singular and plural, the singular could be expressed wa'togh (lit., one count) and the plural mochtogh (lit., superior count). The basic abbreviation for plural is m. and is produced with the template .—MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 22:56, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Lovely, thanx!!!! --Manie 23:02, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * belwI'! (My pleasure!)—MInDu&#39;Donbe&#39; 23:04, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Nomination
I created a request page, and have nominated you. You have to indicate your acceptance or else decline. I'm not sure about namespaces, perhaps the page should be wIqImu'ghom:loHwI'pu'? You are probably right about the Klingon Guide, I'll get round to moving it sometime. I'd like to translate all the standard wiki text into thlIngan, but no idea where it's all held. Any ideas? Jon 10:08, 5 March 2007 (UTC)